Windows-Applesoft Programmer Software

[Charlie]

I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.

More information and download at:

http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm

If (when) you find bugs please report them to:

***@verizon.net

And put the words WASP & bug in the title.

Happy New Year,

Charlie

[Charlie]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever
you want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.
http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm
And put the words WASP & bug in the title.
Happy New Year,
Charlie

It has been reported (and I can confirm) that WASP doesn't work properly in
Windows 95.

I have also found that the WASP help files need Internet Explorer 5.0 or
higher to display properly.

Although this has nothing to do with WASP's problems, I have also found that
some later versions of AppleWin do not work in Windows 95.

AppleWin 1.14.2 does not run at all in Windows 95.
AppleWin 1.12.7.2 seems to run okay in Windows 95.

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.

Who wouldn't be:) This is too cool! I love the color coding.

Post by Charlie
It is not bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with
Windows XP).

I'll give it a try on Vista at work tomorrow. My XP SP2 is the same as yourn
no naturally it works:)

Post by Charlie
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk
images.You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

Christmas came late, but just in time for New Years!

Post by Charlie
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.

I'm happy you didn't try to make this perfect and hold it back. No point
really. Too well done.
***@verizon.net

OK. But you must mean "stingers" though:) I should write you a CGI...
here's the basic idea:)

http://www.teacherschoice.ca/bugs/

I'll let you know how Vista likes this, and Willi should try this in WIN98SE
which should likely Work.

Really neat!

Bill

[Charlie]

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.

Who wouldn't be:) This is too cool! I love the color coding.

I'm glad you like it.

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
It is not bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with
Windows XP).

I'll give it a try on Vista at work tomorrow.

That would be great.

Post by Bill Buckels
My XP SP2 is the same as yourn
no naturally it works:)

Post by Charlie
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk
images.You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

Christmas came late, but just in time for New Years!

Post by Charlie
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.

I'm happy you didn't try to make this perfect and hold it back. No point
really. Too well done.
OK. But you must mean "stingers" though:)

You know, I never thought of that ;-)

Post by Bill Buckels
I should write you a CGI...
here's the basic idea:)
http://www.teacherschoice.ca/bugs/

Wow, nice. The thing is though, I don't have my own domain and no control
over the simple web page that verizon gives me. So I'll have to be satisfied
with a dedicated email address for WASP.

Post by Bill Buckels
I'll let you know how Vista likes this, and Willi should try this in WIN98SE
which should likely Work.
Really neat!
Bill

Thanks Bill. The feedback is appreciated.

Charlie

[Shawn B.]

Post by Bill Buckels
I'll give it a try on Vista at work tomorrow. My XP SP2 is the same as yourn
no naturally it works:)

I confirm this works just fine on Windows Server 2008 Datacenter 64-bit SP1
without any problems. (Haven't tried to run load the program into an
emulator).

screenshot:
Loading Image... (200k) (watch out for
image resizing in IE)


Thanks,
Shawn

[Charlie]

Post by Shawn B.

Post by Bill Buckels
I'll give it a try on Vista at work tomorrow. My XP SP2 is the same as yourn
no naturally it works:)

I confirm this works just fine on Windows Server 2008 Datacenter 64-bit
SP1 without any problems. (Haven't tried to run load the program into an
emulator).
http://www.lookwrite.com/images/Wasp027_WDSx64.png (200k) (watch out for
image resizing in IE)

Looks neat. Thanks Shawn.

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

Post by Charlie
Looks neat.

It is neat. The idea is so simple and clean. I love automatons. I have
automated production programs that I wrote in C++ running right now at the
client site and even back in my WinRobot days in the mid-90's in Win 3.1 my
C programs did the automated thingy too.

Runs on Vista too. I'll get a screenshot today if I can.

Bill

[Moose]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin.  

WOW !!! What a great idea !!!!!!!! :)

I'm going to test this out tonight. I'm not sure if this is possible
or included, but it would be great to link WASP with a BASIC compiler
so you can compile your BASIC and save this to DSK.

[Moose]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin.  

WOW !!! What a great idea !!!!!!!!  :)
I'm going to test this out tonight.  I'm not sure if this is possible
or included, but it would be great to link WASP with a BASIC compiler
so you can compile your BASIC and save this to DSK.

If this could be done, then maybe WASP could also toggle AppleWin's
speed to "fastest possible" before the compile and back to normal
after the compile.

[xorxif]

Wouldn't it be more efficient to write something on the windows side
(using an Apple compiler as a guide) to compile it into a binary, then
use Ciderpress to save it to a disk image?
I always wondered what my old basic programs would run like if compiled.

- xorxif

[BluPhoenyx]

To: xorxif

Post by xorxif
Wouldn't it be more efficient to write something on the windows side
(using an Apple compiler as a guide) to compile it into a binary, then
use Ciderpress to save it to a disk image?
I always wondered what my old basic programs would run like if compiled.
- xorxif

Sounds like the Beagle compiler would work well for both cases. It's
fast, reasonably transparent to the user, eliminates most compatibility
issues other BASIC compilers have with Applesoft and the later version
supports several memory architectures. Plus, it's freely usable! One
possible problem, it's only for ProDOS 8 but there are other compilers
for DOS.

Cheers,
Mike T.

[BluPhoenyx]

To: xorxif

Post by xorxif
Wouldn't it be more efficient to write something on the windows side
(using an Apple compiler as a guide) to compile it into a binary, then
use Ciderpress to save it to a disk image?
I always wondered what my old basic programs would run like if compiled.
- xorxif

Sounds like the Beagle compiler would work well for both cases. It's
fast, reasonably transparent to the user, eliminates most compatibility
issues other BASIC compilers have with Applesoft and the later version
supports several memory architectures. Plus, it's freely usable! One
possible problem, it's only for ProDOS 8 but there are other compilers
for DOS.

Cheers,
Mike T.

[BLuRry]

  To: xorxif

  Wouldn't it be more efficient to write something on the windows side
(using an Apple compiler as a guide) to compile it into a binary, then
use Ciderpress to save it to a disk image?
  I always wondered what my old basic programs would run like if compiled.
- xorxif

Sounds like the Beagle compiler would work well for both cases. It's
fast, reasonably transparent to the user, eliminates most compatibility
issues other BASIC compilers have with Applesoft and the later version
supports several memory architectures. Plus, it's freely usable! One
possible problem, it's only for ProDOS 8 but there are other compilers
for DOS.
Cheers,
Mike T.

The Microsoft basic compiler seemed to work reasonably well in Dos 3.3
from what I remember. Ah, the good ol' days of non-bloated WORKING
Microsoft programs!

-B

[Charlie]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin.

WOW !!! What a great idea !!!!!!!! :)
I'm going to test this out tonight. I'm not sure if this is possible
or included, but it would be great to link WASP with a BASIC compiler
so you can compile your BASIC and save this to DSK.

Well, anything is possible but the idea behind WASP is to let the emulator
do as much of the work as possible. For instance, all the saving to DSK by
the WASP save dialog is actually done by sending commands to the emulator
the same way you would if you were using the emulator by itself. The whole
idea is kind of clunky but it works.

If this could be done, then maybe WASP could also toggle AppleWin's
speed to "fastest possible" before the compile and back to normal
after the compile.

Toggling AppleWin's speed *may* be possible. I'll have to look into that.

Charlie

[johnsonlam]

Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

That's exactly what I wanted.

Thanks Charlie!


Rgds,
Johnson.

[BLuRry]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

That's exactly what I wanted.
Thanks Charlie!
Rgds,
Johnson.

How does the hook into AppleWin work, exactly? Is it possible to
expand on?

-B

[Charlie]

Post by BLuRry
How does the hook into AppleWin work, exactly? Is it possible to
expand on?
-B

There really isn't any hook. AppleWin (at least the later versions) is
already set up to receive whatever is in the clipboard when you press the
Shift and Insert keys. AppleWin does all the real work.

Here's the code for injecting text ( running a program works the same way
except WASP does some fiddling with the text and adding the NEW and RUN
commands, etc. )

case IDM_INJECT: // send text to the emulator
{
CHARRANGE chrrange;
CHARRANGE chrrangehold;

if(!TestEmu()) return 0; // is emulator running? If not send an
error message
ClearClipboard();
SendMessage (GetActiveEdit(hwndClient), EM_EXGETSEL, 0,
(LPARAM)&chrrangehold) ; // save original selection

SetForegroundWindow(hwndEmu); // bring emulator to front
SetFocus(hwndEmu); // give emulator focus
chrrange.cpMin = 0;
chrrange.cpMax = -1;
SendMessage (GetActiveEdit(hwndClient), EM_EXSETSEL, 0,
(LPARAM)&chrrange) ; // select all
SendMessage (GetActiveEdit(hwndClient), WM_COPY, 0, 0) ; // copy
to clipboard
EmuPaste(); // send it to emulator
SendMessage (GetActiveEdit(hwndClient), EM_EXSETSEL, 0,
(LPARAM)&chrrangehold); // put back original selection
return 0;
}



/* simulates the pressing of the left shift and insert keys for pasting into
emulator */
VOID EmuPaste(VOID)
{
DWORD t1, t2;
t1 = t2 = GetTickCount();
while (t2 < (t1 + 300)) t2 = GetTickCount(); // delay

keybd_event(VK_SHIFT,0,0,0); // Shift down
keybd_event(VK_INSERT,0,KEYEVENTF_EXTENDEDKEY,0); // Insert down
t1 = t2 = GetTickCount();
while (t2 < (t1 + 100)) t2 = GetTickCount(); // delay
keybd_event(VK_INSERT,0,KEYEVENTF_KEYUP | KEYEVENTF_EXTENDEDKEY,0); //
Insert up
keybd_event(VK_SHIFT,0,KEYEVENTF_KEYUP,0); // Shift up */

return;
}

The delay stuff may not be needed. I need to do some more experimenting
with that.

By the way, WASP should work with any emulator that implements a
Shift+Insert mechanism. I don't know if there are any. The only necessary
change in WASP would be to add the emulator's name to the WASP.ini file.

Charlie

[BLuRry]

Post by Charlie
By the way, WASP should work with any emulator that implements a
Shift+Insert mechanism.  I don't know if there are any.  The only necessary
change in WASP would be to add the emulator's name to the WASP.ini file.

Ok. :-) Thanks for the heads up. Sounds easy enough to do.

[Charlie]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.

That's exactly what I wanted.
Thanks Charlie!
Rgds,
Johnson.

You're welcome.
By the way I'm pretty sure that it was a request you made some time ago that
got me started thinking about writing WASP.
So, thank you.

Charlie

[johnsonlam]

Hi,

Post by Charlie
You're welcome.
By the way I'm pretty sure that it was a request you made some time ago that
got me started thinking about writing WASP.
So, thank you.

Really appreciate making WASP, thank you.

I still coding Applesoft for fun and leisure, since Applesoft don't
have an editor, modifying the code is really a pain.
With syntax highlighting, coding become much easier.

If possible, maybe someone can help to add a "preview" output
(Applesoft simulation).

Haapy New Year!


Rgds,
Johnson.

[Charlie]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi,

Post by Charlie
You're welcome.
By the way I'm pretty sure that it was a request you made some time ago that
got me started thinking about writing WASP.
So, thank you.

Really appreciate making WASP, thank you.
I still coding Applesoft for fun and leisure, since Applesoft don't
have an editor, modifying the code is really a pain.
With syntax highlighting, coding become much easier.
If possible, maybe someone can help to add a "preview" output
(Applesoft simulation).

Hmmm, that's what AppleWin does (as long as its running concurrently with
WASP).

1. write your Applesoft program.
2. click the 'running man' button in the toolbar.
3. program runs in AppleWin.

Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Charlie

[johnsonlam]

On Jan 7, 11:52 am, "Charlie" <***@verEYEzon.net> wrote:

Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie

Post by johnsonlam
If possible, maybe someone can help to add a "preview" output
(Applesoft simulation).

Hmmm, that's what AppleWin does (as long as its running concurrently with
WASP).
1.  write your Applesoft program.
2.  click the 'running man' button in the toolbar.
3.  program runs in AppleWin.
Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Sorry for my English, I'm not clear enough.

What I mean is a "simulation" of the Applesoft Interpreter inside
WASP, so I can trial several times and got my desire result in WASP
before really "paste" into AppleWin.

Just a "brainstorm" suggestion.

Thanks.


Rgds,
Johnson.

[Charlie]

"johnsonlam" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:997afe09-f974-4de1-b6e1-***@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 7, 11:52 am, "Charlie" <***@verEYEzon.net> wrote:

Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie

Post by johnsonlam
If possible, maybe someone can help to add a "preview" output
(Applesoft simulation).

Hmmm, that's what AppleWin does (as long as its running concurrently with
WASP).
1. write your Applesoft program.
2. click the 'running man' button in the toolbar.
3. program runs in AppleWin.
Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
-----------

Sorry for my English, I'm not clear enough.

What I mean is a "simulation" of the Applesoft Interpreter inside
WASP, so I can trial several times and got my desire result in WASP
before really "paste" into AppleWin.

Just a "brainstorm" suggestion.
-----------<

While that could be done. It would be a major project. *Far* greater than
WASP itself.
For instance all the Apple ][ video modes would have to be supported as well
as all the input/output quirks, peeks, pokes and calls. And it would have
to be able to interact with DOS 3.3 and ProDOS. In other words, it would be
the same as adding an Apple ][ emulator to WASP.
And what would be the gain?

1. With WASP + built in emulator you click a button and your program runs in
WASP.

2. With WASP + AppleWin you click a button and your program runs in
AppleWin.

Not much difference.

On my machine it takes only seconds from the time you click the 'running
man' button until the program is running in Applewin (depending on the
length of the program and the speed setting in AppleWin). If you want to
try for a different result you edit your program in WASP and click the
button again (WASP sends the NEW command every time you run your program to
ensure no remnants of the old program are left behind). When you are
satisfied with the result you save the program from WASP. The only
disadvantage I can see here is that you have to end the running program in
Applewin before running your revised program (and even that you could set up
a command in WASP that would send a Ctrl+C or whatever it takes to exit the
running program).

Charlie

[johnsonlam]

On Jan 13, 12:41 am, "Charlie" <***@verEYEzon.net> wrote:

Hi,

While that could be done.  It would be a major project.  *Far* greater than
WASP itself.
For instance all the Apple ][ video modes would have to be supported as well
as all the input/output quirks, peeks, pokes and calls. And it would have
to be able to interact with DOS 3.3 and ProDOS. In other words, it would be
the same as adding an Apple ][ emulator to WASP.
And what would be the gain?

The reason for asking this because I found that the original Apple
BAISC interpreter only send out rough error message, if WASP have the
"BAISC simulation", that means I "may" execute the Applesoft line by
line inside WASP, maybe one window for debug, other for acutal output,
debug will be lot easier.

You are right, this is big project. I have no idea how big is it ....
how about using existing code of AppleWin or Apple emulator's code?
(such as ApplePC)?

Just a suggestion, I know hobby project should not become so
"sophisticated".

Anyway, I love WASP, is it possible to force all content using BLOCK
letter?

Thanks.


Rgds,
Johnson.

[Bill Buckels]

Post by johnsonlam
Anyway, I love WASP, is it possible to force all content using BLOCK
letter?

Ouch, my eyes! Quit shouting:)

Way back when I refused to leave well enough alone I accomodated vertical
requests in creating vertical use editors. There's one called WINOEM on this
product (I hope you take a look):

http://www.lanet.lv/ftp/simtelnet/win3/txtutl/winbmp30.zip

I don't want this. I like WASP the way it is. Let sleeping WASPs lie I
think. If you love WASP set her free:) Here are some of my counter-points:

On my Apple II in the AppleSoft BASIC interpreter, transformation to BASIC
is done. WASP leaves that up to AppleSoft. Thank you WASP.

If I type:

10 print "Hello
20 ? "Goodbye

AppleSoft will list:

10 PRINT "Hello
20 PRINT "Goodbye

Ouch my eyes!

Inject text into emulator from WASP does the same thing. Good place to leave
that IMO.

To me WASP is an AppleSoft BASIC Programmer's Editor for Windows which
provides coloured text for the AppleSoft BASIC virtual document class.

If you are familiar with these "programmer's editors", I use one called
TextPad (for about the last 10 years since my Java days) which provides
built-in document classes for C/C++, Java, HTML, and others, but does not
come with a built-in document class for BASIC.

My Visual BASIC 6 IDE did not colour BASIC and is not designed for single
files, nor is the IDE in Visual Studio 2005 which provides colour but
doesn't like line numbers. WASP provides a unique experience that I
appreciate.

As a programmer's editor, WASP could benefit from some of TextPad's
features like column pastes and converting selected text to upper or lower
case and things like that. Way back in MS-DOS Sammy Mitchell's QEdit which
allowed WordStar commands as well as column manipulation, and other cool
features still didn't come as close as TextPad to giving me what I want in
Windows. In the 1980's before QEdit replaced my Wordstar editor in
non-document mode, my compiled and inerpreted IBM-PC BASIC was all written
in WordStar outside of the various editors that MicroSoft provided and I
used GWBASIC's Ascii save option when saving my programs from that
interpreter. On the Apple II I missed that option as I did on the C64. When
working in ProDOS I would convert AppleSoft to text, use the ProTerm editor
and EXEC it back to an AppleSoft program when done (like WASP). Now Charlie
has done that for me:)

Having said all that, I don't want Charlie to rewrite WASP to behave like
TextPad. I suspect he already knows about programmer's editors especially
because he has successfully incorporated a reasonable colour scheme into the
WASP experience in an interface that can be used by a wide audience. Even
though most of my Apple II programming is done in C written in Windows using
TextEdit and compiled in Windows (I have written most of my Apple II
programs on the IBM-PC in Aztec C since the 1980's) I do believe that I am
part of that Wide Audience. Hey I even had the Beagle Compiler when it cost
real money:)

I personally would not want to see the Pandora's Box of vertical user
feature requests taint WASP's purity and uniqueness by imposing
preconceptions from any type of vertical user, whether a Windows C
Programmer like me or an AppleSoft BASIC programmer. I have this silly
notion that Charlie intends WASP to be where Windows and AppleSoft meet:)

Actually, I think he already succeeded because I haven't heard any
challenges that seem valid IMO. That's pretty incredible in my experience as
a developer.

To recap:

The WASP "IDE" Features that I truly appreciate:

1. Freeform Entry
2. Coloured Text
3. Simple Interface

This is not to detract from editing features like find and replace.

Advanced features like Charlie's font I don't give a hoot about:(

The Core Features that I like:

1. Read from Disk Image or Windows Drive
2. Save to Windows Drive
3. Save through Emulator by text injection.

This is not to detract from the running man and other neat stuff.

The Cool Features that I like:

1. Tightly Coupled to AppleWin:)
2. Text Injection.
3. Being able to save and edit in Windows while testing in the Emulator.

For sure Ciderpress offers an infinetly broader range of functionality for
disk management, and AppleWin gives me an excellent Pre-Deployment Testing
Environment. I didn't compare WASP to these other activities. Stereotyped
comparison doesn' make sense here. But from a point of view of gap analysis
and improving my personal efficiency in my wonderful world of the best Apple
II emulator ever and the best Apple II disk management tool ever WASP joins
many lines that I didn't make the logical connectives for and I think the
biggest "gotcha" is the remarkably complete process analsysis.

Good Day Eh!

Bill

[johnsonlam]

Hi,

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by johnsonlam
Anyway, I love WASP, is it possible to force all content using BLOCK
letter?

Ouch, my eyes! Quit shouting:)

It's been a long time to hear this, since I quit FidoNet.

Well ... my 1st Apple clone have no small letter, even I changed to
another the BASIC interpreter won't accept any lower case, I get used
to "shout" when programming Applesoft ;-)

[Bill Buckels]

Post by johnsonlam
It's been a long time to hear this, since I quit FidoNet.

Bob Stout started a c_echo a couple of times now. For the last year it's
dead. I

Post by johnsonlam
Well ... my 1st Apple clone have no small letter, even I changed to another
the BASIC interpreter won't accept any lower case, I get used to "shout"
when programming Applesoft ;-)

True but AppleWin is Apple //e so no need to shout:)

I had a tiger II plus with a Z80 card along with my various other Apple II's
but it seems to me that even that entered mixed case.

Bill

[Charlie]

"johnsonlam" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c5ddda12-1903-485b-b4b7-***@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 13, 12:41 am, "Charlie" <***@verEYEzon.net> wrote:

Hi,

While that could be done. It would be a major project. *Far* greater than
WASP itself.
For instance all the Apple ][ video modes would have to be supported as well
as all the input/output quirks, peeks, pokes and calls. And it would have
to be able to interact with DOS 3.3 and ProDOS. In other words, it would be
the same as adding an Apple ][ emulator to WASP.
And what would be the gain?
------------

The reason for asking this because I found that the original Apple
BAISC interpreter only send out rough error message, if WASP have the
"BAISC simulation", that means I "may" execute the Applesoft line by
line inside WASP, maybe one window for debug, other for acutal output,
debug will be lot easier.
------------<

Well, putting some type of code analysis into WASP would be possible (where
errors messages would pop up in WASP) but I don't know if I'm capable of
that. I'll give it some thought.

------------

You are right, this is big project. I have no idea how big is it ....
how about using existing code of AppleWin or Apple emulator's code?
(such as ApplePC)?
------------<

Using existing code is of course an option (if it is freely available) but
you would end up with the same error messages as you get with a regular
Apple.

------------

Just a suggestion, I know hobby project should not become so
"sophisticated".

Anyway, I love WASP, is it possible to force all content using BLOCK
letter?
------------<

I assume you mean all upper case. I'll put that on a list of new features
in an upcoming version.

Charlie

[johnsonlam]

On Jan 14, 12:06 am, "Charlie" <***@verEYEzon.net> wrote:

Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie
Well, putting some type of code analysis into WASP would be possible (where
errors messages would pop up in WASP) but I don't know if I'm capable of
that.  I'll give it some thought.

Thanks for your consideration.

Post by Charlie
Using existing code is of course an option (if it is freely available) but
you would end up with the same error messages as you get with a regular
Apple.

I've been torture by the debug output of the original Applesoft
interpreter for many years, the lack of line to line execution and the
dirty output of "trace" stop me from programming Applesoft, though
it's more than 20 years I still feel programming in Apple is easier
and faster than PC.

Post by Charlie
I assume you mean all upper case.  I'll put that on a list of new features
in an upcoming version.

Really appreciated, thank you very much.


Rgds,
Johnson.

[lyricalnanoha]

Post by johnsonlam
I've been torture by the debug output of the original Applesoft
interpreter for many years, the lack of line to line execution and the
dirty output of "trace" stop me from programming Applesoft, though
it's more than 20 years I still feel programming in Apple is easier
and faster than PC.

D.Code's a little better.

BTW - Ever tried GW-BASIC on the (DOS) PC? You might find it a real
familiar environment, being used to FPBASIC. I know I did.

-uso.

[johnsonlam]

On Jan 14, 10:22 am, lyricalnanoha
<***@usotsuki.hoshinet.org> wrote:

Hi Uso,

Long time no see, how's your emulator?

Post by lyricalnanoha
D.Code's a little better.

Beagles Brothers'?

Post by lyricalnanoha
BTW - Ever tried GW-BASIC on the (DOS) PC? You might find it a real
familiar environment, being used to FPBASIC.  I know I did.

Not powerful as Apple, can't even control the display output properly
(maybe I don't know the exact way).
Get used to Applesoft, thousand of tricks and good for children.

Other's new BASIC (Dark, Free) have no line number, didn't like BASIC
at all.

[lyricalnanoha]

On Jan 14, 10:22 am, lyricalnanoha
Hi Uso,
Long time no see, how's your emulator?

Post by lyricalnanoha
D.Code's a little better.

Beagles Brothers'?

Yeah.

Post by lyricalnanoha
BTW - Ever tried GW-BASIC on the (DOS) PC? You might find it a real
familiar environment, being used to FPBASIC.  I know I did.

Not powerful as Apple, can't even control the display output properly
(maybe I don't know the exact way).
Get used to Applesoft, thousand of tricks and good for children.

A lot of the same tricks prolly work in GW too. It's in fact quite a bit
more powerful than FPBASIC, and can do some stuff natively that FPBASIC
needs assistance for.

LOCATE [y][,x] is the equivalent of vtab and htab.

-uso.

[Michael J. Mahon]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi Charlie,

Post by Charlie
Well, putting some type of code analysis into WASP would be possible (where
errors messages would pop up in WASP) but I don't know if I'm capable of
that. I'll give it some thought.

Thanks for your consideration.

Post by Charlie
Using existing code is of course an option (if it is freely available) but
you would end up with the same error messages as you get with a regular
Apple.

I've been torture by the debug output of the original Applesoft
interpreter for many years, the lack of line to line execution and the
dirty output of "trace" stop me from programming Applesoft, though
it's more than 20 years I still feel programming in Apple is easier
and faster than PC.

Interesting how people have such different styles...

I never use TRACE, and do all my debugging by observing behavior, by
printing variable values after an error, and sometimes by inserting
PRINT statements (which PROGRAM.WRITER makes very easy).

I find the error statements good enough that printing the values of
a couple of variables or expressions in the statement make the problem
quite clear.

For that matter, I use the same approach in debugging assembler
programs, where examination of memory is sufficient nine times out
of ten, and inserting a break or a call to output a value handles
most of the rest of the cases. The befuddling remainder usually
become clear after a night's sleep. ;-)

-michael

******** Note new website URL ********

NadaNet and AppleCrate II for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."

[johnsonlam]

On Jan 14, 11:26 am, "Michael J. Mahon" <***@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Michael,

Post by Michael J. Mahon
I find the error statements good enough that printing the values of
a couple of variables or expressions in the statement make the problem
quite clear.

Display out with GET and INPUT sometimes make me crazy.

Post by Michael J. Mahon
For that matter, I use the same approach in debugging assembler
programs, where examination of memory is sufficient nine times out
of ten, and inserting a break or a call to output a value handles
most of the rest of the cases.  The befuddling remainder usually
become clear after a night's sleep.  ;-)

I know a little bit 6502 assembly, tried LISA but I'm too stupid to
use it.

Add break is good for debugging, but still need to change the content,
before WASP editing a Applesoft is a pain.

WASP is good but if the Applesoft is large, need to wait for a few
seconds, that why I want to have "a single pass" inside WASP before
really paste into AppleWin.


Johnson.

[Michael J. Mahon]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi Michael,

Post by Michael J. Mahon
I find the error statements good enough that printing the values of
a couple of variables or expressions in the statement make the problem
quite clear.

Display out with GET and INPUT sometimes make me crazy.

With GET, things can get tricky (you have to think about how debug
output will affect the screen), but INPUT is pretty vanilla. Besides,
who cares what the screen looks like when you're getting debug output?
(I usually arrange for there to be only one or at most two lines of
debug output prior to a STOP in any case.)

Post by johnsonlam

Post by Michael J. Mahon
For that matter, I use the same approach in debugging assembler
programs, where examination of memory is sufficient nine times out
of ten, and inserting a break or a call to output a value handles
most of the rest of the cases. The befuddling remainder usually
become clear after a night's sleep. ;-)

I know a little bit 6502 assembly, tried LISA but I'm too stupid to
use it.
Add break is good for debugging, but still need to change the content,
before WASP editing a Applesoft is a pain.
WASP is good but if the Applesoft is large, need to wait for a few
seconds, that why I want to have "a single pass" inside WASP before
really paste into AppleWin.

PROGRAM.WRITER is an excellent resident editor for Applesoft. You
enter it simply by typing "&&" and can quickly go anywhere in the
program and edit using Appleworks conventions. After making a change,
just OA-Q and RUN.

All of this takes no more time than pressing the keys.

-michael

******** Note new website URL ********

NadaNet and AppleCrate II for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."

[BLuRry]

PROGRAM.WRITER is an excellent resident editor for Applesoft.  You
enter it simply by typing "&&" and can quickly go anywhere in the
program and edit using Appleworks conventions.  After making a change,
just OA-Q and RUN.
All of this takes no more time than pressing the keys.
-michael

My favorite was edit.pro by Ken Kashmarek/Living Legends Software. I
used that quite happily for many years, even great for editing typing
mistakes in nibble one-liners!

http://www.textfiles.com/apple/DOCUMENTATION/edit.pro

[BluPhoenyx]

To: BLuRry

Post by BLuRry

Post by Michael J. Mahon
PROGRAM.WRITER is an excellent resident editor for Applesoft. You
enter it simply by typing "&&" and can quickly go anywhere in the
program and edit using Appleworks conventions. After making a change,
just OA-Q and RUN.
All of this takes no more time than pressing the keys.
-michael

My favorite was edit.pro by Ken Kashmarek/Living Legends Software. I
used that quite happily for many years, even great for editing typing
mistakes in nibble one-liners!
http://www.textfiles.com/apple/DOCUMENTATION/edit.pro

is this available anywhere? any info on possible reclassification or
contact that you know of?

Cheers,
Mike T.

[Bill Buckels]

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT

Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of your
posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of everyone elses. I
wonder why you are special:)

Bill

[BluPhoenyx]

To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of your
posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of everyone elses. I
wonder why you are special:)

Bill,

When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything else
which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central via
login and see if there are duplicates there as well.

Anyone else see this from my posts?

Cheers,
Mike T.

[BluPhoenyx]

To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of your
posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of everyone elses. I
wonder why you are special:)

Bill,

When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything else
which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central via
login and see if there are duplicates there as well.

Anyone else see this from my posts?

Cheers,
Mike T.

[lyricalnanoha]

Post by BluPhoenyx
To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of your
posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of everyone elses. I
wonder why you are special:)

Bill,
When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to Linux
on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer version. That's
the only change I've made so I don't know anything else which would cause
this. I will check my news provider, A2Central via login and see if there are
duplicates there as well.
Anyone else see this from my posts?
Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm seeing two on csa2p, and they're both crossposted to cea2...

-uso.

[BluPhoenyx]

To: lyricalnanoha

Post by lyricalnanoha

Post by BluPhoenyx
To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of
your posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of
everyone elses. I wonder why you are special:)

Bill,
When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything
else which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central
via login and see if there are duplicates there as well.
Anyone else see this from my posts?
Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm seeing two on csa2p, and they're both crossposted to cea2...

Checked Google groups and it has double posts. I have no idea what
causes this or if it's my problem, a2central or perhaps Google. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Mike T

[David Wilson]

Post by BluPhoenyx
Checked Google groups and it has double posts. I have no idea what
causes this or if it's my problem, a2central or perhaps Google. Any ideas?

Looking at the headers it appears to be something to do with the cross
post:

Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
newshub.sdsu.edu!flph200.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flph199.ffdc.sbc.com!
prodigy.com!flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!8ab87810!
not-for-mail
From: "BluPhoenyx" <***@a2central.com.remove-45a-this>
Subject: Re: Windows-Applesoft Programmer Software
Message-ID: <***@a2central.com>
X-Comment-To: lyricalnanoha
Organization: A2Central.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.programmer,comp.emulators.apple2
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.
***@andisteele.dosius.ath.cx>

Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!
flph200.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flph199.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.com!
flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!8ab87810!not-for-mail
From: "BluPhoenyx" <***@a2central.com.remove-45a-this>
Subject: Re: Windows-Applesoft Programmer Software
Message-ID: <***@a2central.com>
X-Comment-To: lyricalnanoha
Organization: A2Central.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.programmer,comp.emulators.apple2
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.
***@andisteele.dosius.ath.cx>

All that changes is the message ID and the Path (and I suspect it is
because of the Message-IDs containing the two different group names).

[BluPhoenyx]

To: lyricalnanoha

Post by lyricalnanoha

Post by BluPhoenyx
To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of
your posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of
everyone elses. I wonder why you are special:)

Bill,
When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything
else which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central
via login and see if there are duplicates there as well.
Anyone else see this from my posts?
Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm seeing two on csa2p, and they're both crossposted to cea2...
-uso.

Really odd as I checked a2central and only see the one post. The cross
post is probably due to Bill's message being cross posted originally. I
simply didn't change that.

Cheers,
Mike T

[BluPhoenyx]

To: lyricalnanoha

Post by lyricalnanoha

Post by BluPhoenyx
To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of
your posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of
everyone elses. I wonder why you are special:)

Bill,
When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything
else which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central
via login and see if there are duplicates there as well.
Anyone else see this from my posts?
Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm seeing two on csa2p, and they're both crossposted to cea2...

Checked Google groups and it has double posts. I have no idea what
causes this or if it's my problem, a2central or perhaps Google. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Mike T

[BluPhoenyx]

To: lyricalnanoha

Post by lyricalnanoha

Post by BluPhoenyx
To: Bill Buckels

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by BluPhoenyx
Cheers,
Mike T.

OT
Hi Mike, I have been receiving duplicate and quadruplicate copies of
your posts. I have no clue why. I generally only get 1 copy of
everyone elses. I wonder why you are special:)

Bill,
When did this start and did this post do the same? I just switched to
Linux on a new system and the Thunderbird email/news was a newer
version. That's the only change I've made so I don't know anything
else which would cause this. I will check my news provider, A2Central
via login and see if there are duplicates there as well.
Anyone else see this from my posts?
Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm seeing two on csa2p, and they're both crossposted to cea2...
-uso.

Really odd as I checked a2central and only see the one post. The cross
post is probably due to Bill's message being cross posted originally. I
simply didn't change that.

Cheers,
Mike T

[BluPhoenyx]

To: BLuRry

Post by BLuRry

Post by Michael J. Mahon
PROGRAM.WRITER is an excellent resident editor for Applesoft. You
enter it simply by typing "&&" and can quickly go anywhere in the
program and edit using Appleworks conventions. After making a change,
just OA-Q and RUN.
All of this takes no more time than pressing the keys.
-michael

My favorite was edit.pro by Ken Kashmarek/Living Legends Software. I
used that quite happily for many years, even great for editing typing
mistakes in nibble one-liners!
http://www.textfiles.com/apple/DOCUMENTATION/edit.pro

is this available anywhere? any info on possible reclassification or
contact that you know of?

Cheers,
Mike T.

[johnsonlam]

PROGRAM.WRITER is an excellent resident editor for Applesoft.  You
enter it simply by typing "&&" and can quickly go anywhere in the
program and edit using Appleworks conventions.  After making a change,
just OA-Q and RUN.
All of this takes no more time than pressing the keys.
-michael

My favorite was edit.pro by Ken Kashmarek/Living Legends Software.  I
used that quite happily for many years, even great for editing typing
mistakes in nibble one-liners!
http://www.textfiles.com/apple/DOCUMENTATION/edit.pro

Thanks Michael and BLuRry.
I'll try to find PROGRAM.WRITER and edit.pro.

[Michael J. Mahon]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi,

Post by Charlie
You're welcome.
By the way I'm pretty sure that it was a request you made some time ago that
got me started thinking about writing WASP.
So, thank you.

Really appreciate making WASP, thank you.
I still coding Applesoft for fun and leisure, since Applesoft don't
have an editor, modifying the code is really a pain.
With syntax highlighting, coding become much easier.

WASP is a fine Applesoft editor for Windows, but Program Writer is also
a fine Applesoft editor for ProDOS. You might want to give it a try
sometime. ;-)

-michael

******** Note new website URL ********

NadaNet and AppleCrate II for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."

[Bill Buckels]

WASP has been tested by me under both Windows and Vista.

http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/tests/wasp.htm

My Vista test evidence is at the link above. Charlie D. apparently did a
great job with a great idea.

Thank-you.

Bill

[Charlie]

Post by Bill Buckels
WASP has been tested by me under both Windows and Vista.
http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/tests/wasp.htm
My Vista test evidence is at the link above. Charlie D. apparently did a
great job with a great idea.
Thank-you.
Bill

Well thank-you for the testing and the great pictures. I'm certainly happy
Vista likes WASP. Unfortunately, WASP in Windows 98se has a problem. The
version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles carriage
returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA. Installing a
newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs so...

I'm trying to come up with a solution that will work in both.

There is at least one other bug that appears in Windows 98se that doesn't in
XP and when running in Windows 95, WASP is pretty much unusable so I've got
my work cut out for me.

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

Post by Charlie
Well thank-you for the testing and the great pictures. I'm certainly happy
Vista likes WASP. Unfortunately, WASP in Windows 98se has a problem.

I would hate to see such a good product broken because it needs to work on
an old version of Windows. THAT unfortunately sort-of sounds like "the great
eraser".

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll hang-on to this version.

Post by Charlie
The version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles
carriage returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA.
Installing a newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs
so...

What other programs?

The majority of the World is running Windows XP. Maybe it will fix other
programs so they run in Windows 98se.

Post by Charlie
I'm trying to come up with a solution that will work in both.

Just suggest the patch at their own risk.

Post by Charlie
There is at least one other bug that appears in Windows 98se that doesn't
in XP

I wouldn't call that a bug. The program is written for Windows XP and
probably works in other Windows like Server 2003 and so forth which are in
the vast majority.

Post by Charlie
and when running in Windows 95, WASP is pretty much unusable so I've got my
work cut out for me.

The fact that this runs on the vast majority of computers world wide but
does not run on an OS that was released 11 - 14 years ago is particularly
not worth risking the product for.

Having said that, I'm glad you did the tests. Now we know.

Bill

[BLuRry]

Post by Bill Buckels
The fact that this runs on the vast majority of computers world wide but
does not run on an OS that was released 11 - 14 years ago is particularly
not worth risking the product for.

I thought we liked coding for old micros here. ;-)

-B

[Bill Buckels]

Post by BLuRry
I thought we liked coding for old micros here. ;-)

Old Apple Micros... I thought. This is such a cool idea that I am hoping it
won't get drowned in the batchwater of legacy DLL HELL! It's bad enough
already I think.

When I did ClipShop I limited the installation to Windows versions that were
minimum 5.0 and Windows NT Versions that were a Minimum 4.0 because I wanted
the behaviour to be predictable to some degree. Not that ClipShop is a
brilliant piece but it like resources and processes.

I did my previous version for WIN16 which people using older versions can
continue to use on old machines with less resources and I did not want to
downgrade my features:

Windows versions:
4.0.950 Windows 95
4.0.1111 Windows 95 OSR 2 & OSR 2.1
4.0.1212 Windows 95 OSR 2.5
4.1.1998 Windows 98
4.1.2222 Windows 98 Second Edition
4.9.3000 Windows Me

Windows NT versions:
4.0.1381 Windows NT 4.0
5.0.2195 Windows 2000
5.01.2600 Windows XP
or Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2002 (Itanium)
5.02.3790 Windows Server 2003
or Windows XP x64 Edition (AMD64/EM64T)
or Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 (Itanium)

Bill

[Charlie]

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
Well thank-you for the testing and the great pictures. I'm certainly happy
Vista likes WASP. Unfortunately, WASP in Windows 98se has a problem.

I would hate to see such a good product broken because it needs to work on
an old version of Windows. THAT unfortunately sort-of sounds like "the great
eraser".

I agree with you. I have no intention of breaking any part of WASP so that
it will run in older versions of Windows. If worse comes to worse I *may*
write a separate WASP 'lite' that will work in older versions of Windows but
will sacrifice a feature or two.

Post by Bill Buckels
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll hang-on to this version.

Post by Charlie
The version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles
carriage returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA.
Installing a newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs
so...

What other programs?

Essentially any Windows program that uses 'rich text'. There are many such
as, WordPad and MSPaint.

Post by Bill Buckels
The majority of the World is running Windows XP. Maybe it will fix other
programs so they run in Windows 98se.

You may be right :-)

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
I'm trying to come up with a solution that will work in both.

Just suggest the patch at their own risk.

Well, for the time being that's exactly what I'm going to do. But I'm still
going to make an attempt to fix things. As BLuRy mentioned jokingly in a
subsequent post "we liked coding for old micros here".

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
There is at least one other bug that appears in Windows 98se that doesn't
in XP

I wouldn't call that a bug. The program is written for Windows XP and
probably works in other Windows like Server 2003 and so forth which are in
the vast majority.

I have remote access to a server that is running Windows Server 2003 so I
intend to sneak in and test it there ;-)

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
and when running in Windows 95, WASP is pretty much unusable so I've got my
work cut out for me.

The fact that this runs on the vast majority of computers world wide but
does not run on an OS that was released 11 - 14 years ago is particularly
not worth risking the product for.
Having said that, I'm glad you did the tests. Now we know.

The main reason I released WASP for download was that although I like to
code, I hate to test. So I figured I'd let you guys do the testing ;-)

I should mention that I've only received a bug report from one person and
that had to do with a cosmetic problem with the documentation (in Windows
95). So either, as you say, no one is using Windows95/98 or more likely no
one is using WASP :-(

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

If worse comes to worse I *may* write a separate WASP 'lite' that will

work in older versions of Windows but will sacrifice a feature or two.

There's a thought. How many years are you going to spend on this:)

Post by Charlie
The version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se

Can you perhaps do a side-by-side installation and load the new DLL from the
current directory. If you don't register it I think you may get away with
it. Provided the user is not running-up another APP that uses the DLL.

Essentially any Windows program that uses 'rich text'. There are many such
as, WordPad and MSPaint.

Yikes.

Post by Charlie
The majority of the World is running Windows XP. Maybe it will fix other
programs so they run in Windows 98se.

You may be right :-)

I'm probably not. It was a weak joke:( Can you rename the DLL and the LIB
and fudge it in some way that it can redistributed safely?

Post by Charlie
I'm trying to come up with a solution that will work in both.

As BLuRy mentioned jokingly in a subsequent post "we liked coding for old
micros here".

I know, I know...

I have remote access to a server that is running Windows Server 2003 so I
intend to sneak in and test it there ;-)

If you can't I have one handy too. I'll se what my time is tomorrow.

The main reason I released WASP for download was that although I like to
code, I hate to test. So I figured I'd let you guys do the testing ;-)

I hate to test which is why I decided to help. It is a pain in butt to get
something uploaded to your site and find some annoying bugs over and over.

I should mention that I've only received a bug report from one person and
that had to do with a cosmetic problem with the documentation (in Windows
95).

WIN16 HLP files using rtf would be somewhat more appropriate and a WIN16
version for something that old.

no one is using WASP :-(

They will.

Bill

[Charlie]

Post by Bill Buckels

If worse comes to worse I *may* write a separate WASP 'lite' that will

work in older versions of Windows but will sacrifice a feature or two.
There's a thought. How many years are you going to spend on this:)

I don't know. The older I get the shorter the years get. I'm inside some
kind of time warp :-)

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
The version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se

Can you perhaps do a side-by-side installation and load the new DLL from the
current directory. If you don't register it I think you may get away with
it. Provided the user is not running-up another APP that uses the DLL.

You're on the right track. See my answer below.

Post by Bill Buckels
Can you rename the DLL and the LIB
and fudge it in some way that it can redistributed safely?

Andy McFadden pointed me in the right direction. See my answer to him in
this thread. Basically what you do is put the DLLs in the same directory as
WASP.exe and then put a dummy file named 'WASP.exe.local' in that same
directory. I tried it in Windows 98se and it worked.

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
I'm trying to come up with a solution that will work in both.

As BLuRy mentioned jokingly in a subsequent post "we liked coding for old
micros here".

I know, I know...

I have remote access to a server that is running Windows Server 2003 so I
intend to sneak in and test it there ;-)

If you can't I have one handy too. I'll se what my time is tomorrow.

I'm going to try to find time later tonight.

Post by Bill Buckels

The main reason I released WASP for download was that although I like to
code, I hate to test. So I figured I'd let you guys do the testing ;-)

I hate to test which is why I decided to help.

And I appreciate your help.

Post by Bill Buckels
It is a pain in butt to get
something uploaded to your site and find some annoying bugs over and over.

I hear you. It does put the pressure on me, but sometimes I need that.
Yeah, right!

Post by Bill Buckels

I should mention that I've only received a bug report from one person and
that had to do with a cosmetic problem with the documentation (in Windows
95).

WIN16 HLP files using rtf would be somewhat more appropriate and a WIN16
version for something that old.

The help file cosmetic bug is trivial and in no way effects its use. I
forgot to mention that the person reporting the bug couldn't get the help
files to display when clicking on the Help-Contents menu item but could view
them by clicking on the file itself. I couldn't reproduce this on one
Windows 95 machine but it showed up on another. Both these bugs disappear
if you upgrade Internet Explorer to version 5 or higher.

Charlie

[Charlie]

I did a quick test of WASP 0.27 with AppleWin 1.14.2 on Windows Server 2003
and all the major functions worked.

Charlie

[Andy McFadden]

Post by Charlie
Well thank-you for the testing and the great pictures. I'm certainly happy
Vista likes WASP. Unfortunately, WASP in Windows 98se has a problem. The
version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles carriage
returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA. Installing a
newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs so...

The Rich Edit dialog saved me a lot of time and caused me a lot of grief
with CiderPress. There's a lot of workarounds and "the following exact
order of operations works, don't mess with it" comments in
app/ViewFilesDialog.cpp.

If you put a copy of Riched32.dll in the application installation directory,
will Windows prefer to use that over the system copy? I vaguely recall doing
something like this once upon a time. If that works, the updated DLL will
only affect your application.

[Charlie]

Post by Andy McFadden

Post by Charlie
Well thank-you for the testing and the great pictures. I'm certainly happy
Vista likes WASP. Unfortunately, WASP in Windows 98se has a problem.
The
version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles carriage
returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA. Installing a
newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs so...

The Rich Edit dialog saved me a lot of time and caused me a lot of grief
with CiderPress. There's a lot of workarounds and "the following exact
order of operations works, don't mess with it" comments in
app/ViewFilesDialog.cpp.

Thanks for the information. I couldn't find the "the following exact
order of operations works, don't mess with it" comment in
ViewFilesDialog.cpp but I have been looking at that file to see what you
mean. I am hampered somewhat since I don't know very much about C++ and MFC
(WASP is written in plain old C). However, your code is so well commented
that it is pretty easy to follow. I wish I had read your following comment
a while ago:
-----------------------
* Anything related to RichEdit controls is extremely fragile, and must
* be tested with a variety of inputs, preference settings, and under
* at least Win98 and Win2K (which are *very* different).
-----------------------

Basically, all riched dlls expect a newline character ( \n ) to end a line
but the older ones don't handle a carriage return by itself. The newer ones
do. I had found that when loading in a Applesoft file and converting it to
a rich text output that a ( \r ) at the end of each line worked better
(although for the life of me I don't remember what it was that worked
better).
So the obvious answer would be to go back to the \n. I tried that and it
worked but broke my syntax highlighting code. That's where I was until I

Post by Andy McFadden
If you put a copy of Riched32.dll in the application installation directory,
will Windows prefer to use that over the system copy? I vaguely recall doing
something like this once upon a time. If that works, the updated DLL will
only affect your application.

I too vaguely remembered something about putting a copy of a dll in the
application directory and that was the first thing I tried. It didn't work,
but....
When you said the same thing I decided to do a little research and guess
what Microsoft provides a mechanism to do exactly what I want.

It's called 'Dynamic-Link Library Redirection' and here's a link to an
explanation:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682600(VS.85).aspx

I tried it and it works.
Thanks Andy for pointing me in the right direction.

Now if anybody is having problems with WASP's edit windows not recognizing
carriage returns (one long string) when loading an Applesoft file from a
disk image, here is a temporary fix:

1. download riched32.dll (v5.1.2600.0) and riched20.dll (v5.30.23.1221).
2. copy them to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
3. start WASP and open a NEW Edit window.
4. type "Andy McFadden is a genius!" or "Apple ][ forever!" in the window
:-)
5. from the file menu select "Save to Windows Drive As..." and in the
resulting dialog box navigate to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
6. Save the file under the name WASP.exe.local

The next time you run WASP the line formatting should be correct with no
code changes to WASP. No other program will be using these DLLs.

In future versions of WASP I will pay Bill Gates huge amounts of money to
include the needed DLLs in the distribution :-)

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

Post by Charlie

Post by Andy McFadden

Post by Charlie
version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles carriage
returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA.  Installing
a
newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs so...

Well isn't this interesting.

Here, read this you guys before you start suggesting popping-in
DLL's:)

INFO: Distribution Issues with Riched32.dll

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197580

Post by Charlie

Post by Andy McFadden
The Rich Edit dialog saved me a lot of time and caused me a lot of grief
with CiderPress.  There's a lot of workarounds and "the following exact
order of operations works, don't mess with it" comments in
app/ViewFilesDialog.cpp.

Exactly Andy! Or more precisely "Why mess with it?" or "DANGER WILL
ROBINSON!"

Post by Charlie
-----------------------
  * Anything related to RichEdit controls is extremely fragile, and must
  * be tested with a variety of inputs, preference settings, and under
  * at least Win98 and Win2K (which are *very* different).
-----------------------

Win98 is too different even between SE Versions. Back in those days,
we dropped in DLL's until things worked it's true. We all have our
share of horror stories and I am currently accumulating a number of
new ones on Windows Vista which now has the complexity of .NET
assemblies and legacy pipelines and digest authentication timing
issues and inegrated Windows authentication issues and the abuse is
endless.

The sole reason for our interest in Microsoft is to feed ourselves. We
would never otherwise trust our livelihoods and computers to a bunch
of pimply faced pizza eating teenagers who work independently from
every other team and ignore compatibility issues until release time.
For example, getting a Visual Studio 20003 WEB Application to step
trace in IIS under Vista on a real network is an interesting exercise,
and one that you would die to bill for:)

Regardless... WIN98 ain't worth it.

Post by Charlie
Basically, all riched dlls expect a newline character ( \n ) to end a line
but the older ones don't handle a carriage return by itself.  The newer ones
do.  I had found that when loading in a Applesoft file and converting it to
a rich text output that a ( \r ) at the end of each line worked better
(although for the life of me I don't remember what it was that worked
better).

Did you also try an ascii 11 which is considered a soft return by some
text saving M$oft programs:) Maybe that would work until the next
release of this DLL...

It's even harder to remember the older you get. Patch a program today
to run in WIN98 and your patch may prevent your applications from
running on Vista the next time we get a security update. And so-on ad
nauseum.

Leave well enough alone and you won't need to remember what nuances
you have addressed to circumvent versioning issues. The MSDN article
that you referenced in the first place may even have been rewritten to
accomodate some new pimply faced programmer's concept of what we
should need to know.

Post by Charlie

Post by Andy McFadden
If you put a copy of Riched32.dll in the application installation directory,
will Windows prefer to use that over the system copy?  I vaguely recall
doing
something like this once upon a time.  If that works, the updated DLL will
only affect your application.

For Now...

Post by Charlie
I too vaguely remembered something about putting a copy of a dll in the
application directory and that was the first thing I tried.  It didn't work,
but....
When you said the same thing I decided to do a little research and guess
what Microsoft provides a mechanism to do exactly what I want.
It's called 'Dynamic-Link Library Redirection' and here's a link to an
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682600(VS.85).aspx
I tried it and it works.
Thanks Andy for pointing me in the right direction.

With all due respect to both Andy and yourself Charlie, be wary of
strangers bearing gifts. Nothing is stranger than a M$oft program:)

Post by Charlie
Now if anybody is having problems with WASP's edit windows not recognizing
carriage returns (one long string) when loading an Applesoft file from a

This should be a permanent fix. It would be if it were me. A readme
for legacy Windows users. This DLL is redistributable I believe so you
could zip the fix into a WIN98FIX.zip and just include it and walk
away a free man.

Post by Charlie
1. download riched32.dll (v5.1.2600.0) and riched20.dll (v5.30.23.1221).
2. copy them to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
3. start WASP and open a NEW Edit window.
4. type "Andy McFadden is a genius!" or "Apple ][ forever!" in the window
:-)

You should type both for good luck. "When in danger or in doubt, run
in circles, scream and shout!"

Post by Charlie
5. from the file menu select "Save to Windows Drive As..." and in the
resulting dialog box navigate to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
6. Save the file under the name WASP.exe.local

TMI

Post by Charlie
The next time you run WASP the line formatting should be correct with no
code changes to WASP.  No other program will be using these DLLs.
In future versions of WASP I will pay Bill Gates huge amounts of money to
include the needed DLLs in the distribution :-)

You may need to ship this with a Vista emulator if Gates keeps this
up:)

Hey there's a thought. Run Virtual PC on Windows 98SE and put Vista on
it, then you won't need to worry. That will cost you huge amounts of
money I am sure.

There was never any question in my mind that Andy was good. Anyone
that could make something like Ciderpress in *THAT* version of C++
must be.

Charlie, all kidding aside, WASP is cool, simple to understand and
easy to use and probably works without problem on systems going back
at least 9 years. Nothing for today's Apple computers will likely run
the same version on an 11 year old Mac. Hell, those computers don't
even talk to their predecessors.

Windows 98 users and Windows 95 users and MS-DOS users should be
thankful that their floppies can still be read by machines up to 20
years newer or spend afew hundred dollars for a new box. It is this
very backward compatibility that they are so hung-up on that has
allowed them to avoid upgrading. So what? Should the rest of us run
everything in DOSBOX or write our applications in WIN16? That's what
museums are for:)

Getting off soapbox.

Bill

[BLuRry]

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
Basically, all riched dlls expect a newline character ( \n ) to end a line
but the older ones don't handle a carriage return by itself.  The newer ones
do.  I had found that when loading in a Applesoft file and converting it to
a rich text output that a ( \r ) at the end of each line worked better
(although for the life of me I don't remember what it was that worked
better).

Did you also try an ascii 11 which is considered a soft return by some
text saving M$oft programs:) Maybe that would work until the next
release of this DLL...

To me, the odd man out is Applewin. The goal of copy/paste is that
you can paste text from anywhere. It would make more sense for
AppleWin to translate CR+LF (\n on windows) and LF (\n on *nix) into
CR. Before taking in the paste buffer, a very simple replace
operation can be performed on the text and then you can paste text
that was copied from notepad or a webpage.

-B

[Bill Buckels]

To me, the odd man out is Applewin. The goal of copy/paste is that you can
paste text from anywhere. It would make more sense for AppleWin to
translate CR+LF (\n on windows) and LF (\n on *nix) into CR.

AppleWin on linux? That would be AppleCore(dump:)... is it available in
linux now?

Ok, then what about when I run a CP/M disk in AppleWin? Then what should
happen there?

To me AppleWin works beautifully.

Before taking in the paste buffer, a very simple replace operation can be
performed on the text and then you can paste text that was copied from
notepad or a webpage.

Can you tell me where on the AppleWin screen I can paste?

Maybe I don't understand what Charlie did. I thought he was pasting from the
clipboard to AppleWin in his application.

I guess I should read the code in its entirety. Time for work now tho. Don't
even know if what I said here made sense. Everything is blurry now:)

But you are right. Before handing text to an edit control even in someone
else's window a person can massage the buffer.

Bill

[lyricalnanoha]

Post by Bill Buckels
AppleWin on linux? That would be AppleCore(dump:)... is it available in
linux now?

LinApple is a port of AppleWin, works pretty well.

(I still use ApplePC for most stuff though)

-uso.

[Charlie]

Post by Bill Buckels

Post by Charlie
Basically, all riched dlls expect a newline character ( \n ) to end a line
but the older ones don't handle a carriage return by itself. The newer
ones
do. I had found that when loading in a Applesoft file and converting it
to
a rich text output that a ( \r ) at the end of each line worked better
(although for the life of me I don't remember what it was that worked
better).

Did you also try an ascii 11 which is considered a soft return by some
text saving M$oft programs:) Maybe that would work until the next
release of this DLL...
To me, the odd man out is Applewin. The goal of copy/paste is that
you can paste text from anywhere. It would make more sense for
AppleWin to translate CR+LF (\n on windows) and LF (\n on *nix) into
CR. Before taking in the paste buffer, a very simple replace
operation can be performed on the text and then you can paste text
that was copied from notepad or a webpage.

No the culprit isn't AppleWin. AppleWin accepts text from the clipboard not
directly from the WASP edit window. The text in the clipboard should be the
same as something you would type into an apple keyboard. When WASP sends
the applesoft file to AppleWin through the RUN or SAVE commands it does
massage the linefeeds out but that is only for cosmetic reasons. AppleWin
will happily accepts CR+LF just as a real Apple ][ would but of course you
get a blank line on the screen between each applesoft line and I think you
get a syntax error. The entire program still moves into AppleWin and runs or
saves properly.
When you use the "Inject Text" function in WASP no massaging is done and
everything is sent 'as is'.

Charlie

[BLuRry]

Post by Charlie
No the culprit isn't AppleWin. AppleWin accepts text from the clipboard not
directly from the WASP edit window.  The text in the clipboard should be the
same as something you would type into an apple keyboard.

I disagree with that last part. When content is copied into the
clipboard, the source application should make as much information as
possible available wherever it makes the most sense. When you paste
into another application, that target application is responsible for
handling the contents of the clipboard and making sense out of how to
use them. For example, when you copy data from a table on a webpage
and paste into a spreadsheet, the table contents get translated into
multiple spreadsheet cells. The browser didn't convert the data, the
spreadsheet program did.

Likewise, if you paste rich text into something that can't support
rich-text, then the program tries to make sense out of the stripped-
down text version. If that text is usually formatted in a way that
does not make sense to the program, then the program should be
responsible for converting it if possible.

This is consistent with how other applications already work. If you
copy an image from a word document, it goes to the cipboard as a full-
color bitmap. If you are working on an indexed-color image in
photoshop and paste the full-color image, photoshop has to make that
image fit in the more limited colorspace or tell you that it is not
possible because the image type is different. One of these is more
user friendly than the other.

You said previously that Wasp essentially activates the applewin
window and send it a shit+insert signal to tell it to paste the
clipboard. IMHO, Applewin should be smart enough to deal with CR+LF
and LF in the event someone is pasting data from, say, notepad (which
does not perform any conversion on its data ever), or example source
listing from a newsgroup. I say LF as well as CR+LF, just to cover
all bases (suppose the text is copied from another app that only puts
LF's in the data like a telnet app or another editor with a unix file
open only containing LF's). Applewin should do this, at least
optionally, especially since it's not possible to enter arbitrary
binary data through the keyboard on an Apple ][ -- the hi-order bit is
lost in the translation since it's used as the keyboard strobe bit.

-B

[Charlie]

Post by Charlie
No the culprit isn't AppleWin. AppleWin accepts text from the clipboard not
directly from the WASP edit window. The text in the clipboard should be
the
same as something you would type into an apple keyboard.
---------------

I disagree with that last part. When content is copied into the
clipboard, the source application should make as much information as

Post by Charlie
possible available wherever it makes the most sense. When you paste

into another application, that target application is responsible for
handling the contents of the clipboard and making sense out of how to
use them. For example, when you copy data from a table on a webpage
and paste into a spreadsheet, the table contents get translated into
multiple spreadsheet cells. The browser didn't convert the data, the
spreadsheet program did.
---------------<

Yes you are correct and I mistated how AppleWin works. I was going by
memory of why I massaged the text and my memory was wrong. AppleWin does
handle the CR+LF the way you say it should.

Post by Charlie
--------------

Likewise, if you paste rich text into something that can't support
rich-text, then the program tries to make sense out of the stripped-
down text version. If that text is usually formatted in a way that
does not make sense to the program, then the program should be
responsible for converting it if possible.
---------------<

WASP doesn't send rich text to the clipboard. It sends plain text. WASP only
uses rich text for displaying the text. Your point, however, is correct.

Post by Charlie
--------------

This is consistent with how other applications already work. If you
copy an image from a word document, it goes to the cipboard as a full-
color bitmap. If you are working on an indexed-color image in
photoshop and paste the full-color image, photoshop has to make that
image fit in the more limited colorspace or tell you that it is not
possible because the image type is different. One of these is more
user friendly than the other.
--------------<

I agree.

Post by Charlie
-------------

You said previously that Wasp essentially activates the applewin
window and send it a shit+insert signal to tell it to paste the
clipboard. IMHO, Applewin should be smart enough to deal with CR+LF
and LF in the event someone is pasting data from, say, notepad (which
does not perform any conversion on its data ever),
-------------<

Yes and a simple test with notepad and even wordpad shows it is smart enough
to handle the CR+LF.

Post by Charlie
-------------

or example source listing from a newsgroup. I say LF as well as CR+LF, just
to cover all bases (suppose the text is copied from another app that only
puts
LF's in the data like a telnet app or another editor with a unix file
open only containing LF's).
-------------<

Now you've jogged my memory. When I was writting WASP I tested it on
listings posted on web sites, newsgroups, etc. Often I found that people
would type 'returns' in places where they didn't belong. Probably to better
format the look of the listing.

Post by Charlie
-------------

Applewin should do this, at least
optionally, especially since it's not possible to enter arbitrary
binary data through the keyboard on an Apple ][ -- the hi-order bit is
lost in the translation since it's used as the keyboard strobe bit.
-------------<

In the case of a single LF, which can be typed into the Apple keyboard,
AppleWin would have to somehow figure out that the file was using LF as a CR
(Apple style) and not as LF. That would be asking a lot of the program.
Off hand I don't see any way to do that.

All of this really has nothing to do with the richedit bug in WASP on
Windows98se. It was my 'very poor' attempt to show that it wasn't
AppleWin's fault. What I should have said was that all the rich edit code
is *in* WASP and the riched dlls. AppleWin never sees richedit (at least
not from WASP).

Charlie

[BLuRry]

Post by Charlie
In the case of a single LF, which can be typed into the Apple keyboard,
AppleWin would have to somehow figure out that the file was using LF as a CR
(Apple style) and not as LF.  That would be asking a lot of the program.
Off hand I don't see any way to do that.

Well, not too hard assuming you never encounter LF+CR, only CR+LF.

Here's how I do it in Jace:
contents = contents.replaceAll("\\n(\\r)?", (char)
0x0d + "");
That is assuming your implementation can handle regex. If not, the
following algorithm works fine:
int lastChar = -1;
while (chars) {
int char = nextChar();
if (char is \n)
keyIn \r
if (char is \r and last char != \n)
keyIn \r
else
keyIn char
lastChar = char
}

[Charlie]

Post by Charlie
In the case of a single LF, which can be typed into the Apple keyboard,
AppleWin would have to somehow figure out that the file was using LF as a CR
(Apple style) and not as LF. That would be asking a lot of the program.
Off hand I don't see any way to do that.
-------------

Well, not too hard assuming you never encounter LF+CR, only CR+LF.
-------------<

Try typing this into an apple followed by the return key ( ^J means
ctrl+J ):

10 REM TEST^J

Ctrl+J is a LF and this is a legal line to key in. Of course the CR doesn't
survive in memory or when saved to a file but that is irrelevant when we're
talking about input.

Post by Charlie
--------------

I say LF as well as CR+LF, just
to cover all bases (suppose the text is copied from another app that only
puts
LF's in the data like a telnet app or another editor with a unix file
open only containing LF's).
--------------<

I'm not familiar with telnet or any file containing only LFs (except
possibly an Applesoft tokenized file ;-) but what I meant was that if you
pasted one of those to AppleWin how would AppleWin determine it wasn't a LF
embedded somewhere other than the end of the applesoft line. You can embed
LFs into a program and it is done quite often for formatting purposes.
The algorithm would have to decide if the linefeed was at the end of the
line of code. With applesoft it could look to see if the linefeed was
followed by a linenumber but then you would need code to differentiate
between linenumbers, numbers in text, etc. And that's just for applesoft.
What if you were pasting text to be accepted by a program running in
Applewin?

Charlie

[Michael J. Mahon]

Post by Charlie
AppleWin
will happily accepts CR+LF just as a real Apple ][ would but of course you
get a blank line on the screen between each applesoft line and I think you
get a syntax error. The entire program still moves into AppleWin and runs or
saves properly.

By chance, a few hours ago I EXECed a CR+LF text file into Applesoft on
a real Enhanced Apple //e, and each line was a syntax error and only the
first line was entered into the program.

In other words, the CR ends the preceding line normally, and the LF in
front of the next statement number causes a syntax error and the line
to be ignored.

-michael

******** Note new website URL ********

NadaNet and AppleCrate II for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."

[Charlie]

Post by Michael J. Mahon

Post by Charlie
AppleWin
will happily accepts CR+LF just as a real Apple ][ would but of course
you get a blank line on the screen between each applesoft line and I
think you get a syntax error. The entire program still moves into
AppleWin and runs or saves properly.

By chance, a few hours ago I EXECed a CR+LF text file into Applesoft on
a real Enhanced Apple //e, and each line was a syntax error and only the
first line was entered into the program.
In other words, the CR ends the preceding line normally, and the LF in
front of the next statement number causes a syntax error and the line
to be ignored.
-michael

I should have tested before I opened my mouth (er, typed) instead of relying
on my faulty memory. After testing I found AppleWin accepted CR+LF and does
*not* emit a syntax error. Tom Charlesworth pointed out the related code in
AppleWin that shows conversion of CR+LF to CR. What I had remembered was
probably pasting code to Applewin that had CR+LF in places other than the
end of the line (I've seen this occasionally on listings found on the
internet). In most cases this would cause the lines to be truncated and the
part that was cut off would be placed on the next line usually causing a
syntax error.
But the resulting program certainly would *not* run properly. So my
statement above is wrong in two places.

Post by Michael J. Mahon

Post by Charlie

Hangs head in shame <<<

Charlie

[TomCh]

To me, the odd man out is Applewin.  The goal of copy/paste is that
you can paste text from anywhere.  It would make more sense for
AppleWin to translate CR+LF (\n on windows) ... into
CR.  

This is what it does do:

From keyboard.cpp, ClipboardCurrChar():

if((lptstr[0] == 0x0D) && (lptstr[1] == 0x0A))
{
nKey = 0x0D;
nInc = 2;
}

Tom

[Charlie]

Post by Charlie

Post by Charlie
version of the Riched32.dll that comes with Windows 98se handles carriage
returns differently than the one on XP and presumably VISTA. Installing
a
newer DLL fixes the problem but could break other programs so...

-------

Well isn't this interesting.

Here, read this you guys before you start suggesting popping-in
DLL's:)

INFO: Distribution Issues with Riched32.dll

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197580
-------<

Yeah, leave it to Microsoft to have three different versions of the
Riched32.dll files with the same 8 digit version number!

To further confuse the whole mess I have a different version (5.1.2600.0)on
my XP machine and it is only 3,584 bytes long. It says it's a wrapper for
richedit 1.0.

Post by Charlie
Basically, all riched dlls expect a newline character ( \n ) to end a line
but the older ones don't handle a carriage return by itself. The newer
ones
do. I had found that when loading in a Applesoft file and converting it to
a rich text output that a ( \r ) at the end of each line worked better
(although for the life of me I don't remember what it was that worked
better).
---------

Did you also try an ascii 11 which is considered a soft return by some
text saving M$oft programs:) Maybe that would work until the next
release of this DLL...
---------<

I'll look into that.

Post by Charlie
I too vaguely remembered something about putting a copy of a dll in the
application directory and that was the first thing I tried. It didn't
work,
but....
When you said the same thing I decided to do a little research and guess
what Microsoft provides a mechanism to do exactly what I want.
It's called 'Dynamic-Link Library Redirection' and here's a link to an
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682600(VS.85).aspx
I tried it and it works.
Thanks Andy for pointing me in the right direction.
-----

With all due respect to both Andy and yourself Charlie, be wary of
strangers bearing gifts. Nothing is stranger than a M$oft program:)
-----<

Hey, you play the cards you're dealt.

Post by Charlie
Now if anybody is having problems with WASP's edit windows not recognizing
carriage returns (one long string) when loading an Applesoft file from a
------

This should be a permanent fix.
------<

It will be.

Post by Charlie
1. download riched32.dll (v5.1.2600.0) and riched20.dll (v5.30.23.1221).
2. copy them to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
3. start WASP and open a NEW Edit window.
4. type "Andy McFadden is a genius!" or "Apple ][ forever!" in the window
:-)

You should type both for good luck. "When in danger or in doubt, run
in circles, scream and shout!"

Post by Charlie
5. from the file menu select "Save to Windows Drive As..." and in the
resulting dialog box navigate to the directory where WASP.exe is located.
6. Save the file under the name WASP.exe.local
-----

TMI
-----<

Three Mile Island?
The Monroe Institute?
Thinking Machines INC?

Ah, Too Much Information :-)

Charlie

[Bill Buckels]

Post by Charlie
-----

TMI
-----<

Post by Charlie
Three Mile Island?
The Monroe Institute?
Thinking Machines INC?
Ah, Too Much Information :-)

yes for the

Trainable Mentally Impaired (AKA BDU's like me:)

Well we talked this one to death didn't we.. I saw Tom Charlesworth added
his info. That was nice to know too. I will have a form based bug report for
you tomorrow some time with a cgi written in perl, but I doubt if you'll get
many:) It can run on one of my domains if you like it.

Bill

[e***@gmail.com]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.
http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm
And put the words WASP & bug in the title.
Happy New Year,
Charlie

Charlie.

WASP stiil maintained? It will work on W7 64? Im start to debug a basic program in Applewin and for sure WASP is the best thing for this.

But, seems both versions of WASP downloads on http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm (automatically redirected to http://noboot.com/charlie/software/wasp.htm) are infected by TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen.

At least is what my Avira says.

[Charlie]

Post by e***@gmail.com

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.
http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm
And put the words WASP& bug in the title.
Happy New Year,
Charlie

Charlie.
WASP stiil maintained?

I haven't updated it in years, but if you have problems or suggestions
send me an email at the address on my site.

Post by e***@gmail.com
It will work on W7 64?

I don't know. I don't have W7 64 to try it. It was designed to use in
Windows XP but I've used it on Windows 7 32 bit. There are a couple of
things that don't work properly in Windows 7 but they are minor and
don't effect the basic usage as a program editor for AppleWin.

Im start to debug a basic program in Applewin and for sure WASP is the
best thing for this.

Post by e***@gmail.com
But, seems both versions of WASP downloads on http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm (automatically redirected to http://noboot.com/charlie/software/wasp.htm) are infected by TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen.
At least is what my Avira says.

I just checked it with Malwarebytes and Microsoft Security Essentials
and both say it is clean. Also several online services have confirmed
that the folder containing my software on the server is clean. I also
compared the file lengths of both versions as downloaded from the server
with those in my machine here and they are identical. My guess is that
Avira is giving a false positive.

Charlie

[Moose]

My guess is that Avira is giving a false positive.

99.9999% agree. Virus Total reports 1 "hit" out of 47 virus scanners for WASP v0.28, see the report here:

https://www.virustotal.com/en-gb/file/4f40673dc0f8b39f6290181d24542836cba7705634c17ff96c3c85b029e8d1bd/analysis/1389228288/

So it definitely looks like a false positive.

[Brandon Taylor]

It seems the file is no longer available to download. Verizon SiteBuilder went down on September 30 last year and your page was destroyed. I found the page on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, but the file is not there. Is the program still in active development, or can you at least provide a link to the file somewhere else?

[Charlie]

Post by Brandon Taylor
It seems the file is no longer available to download. Verizon
SiteBuilder went down on September 30 last year and your page was
destroyed.

My stuff was moved years ago. The Verizon link was just a re-direct.

Post by Brandon Taylor
I found the page on the Internet Archive's Wayback
Machine, but the file is not there. Is the program still in active
development,

Not really.

Post by Brandon Taylor
or can you at least provide a link to the file somewhere
else?

You can find it here:

http://noboot.com/charlie/Charlie%27s%20Stuff.htm

Charlie

[James Davis]

Hi Charlie,

Symantec/Norton fixed WASP028 virus definitions [But not WASP027! It still get quarantined!!], so I have been checking out WASP v.028 the last couple of days.

======================================================================
Wasp.exe contains the Trojan.Gen.2 Virus; Wasp.exe from/within:
======================================================================
WASP (a Windows XP based Applesoft programming tool).zip
----------------------------------------------------------------------
\wasp027.zip <-[Symantec/Norton DID NOT FIX definitions for this one!]
\wasp028.zip <-[Symantec/Norton DID ... FIX definitions for this one.]
======================================================================

WASP is cool, dude! I am using it on Windows 7/64 Ultimate.

All I had to do to get it to work right with AppleWin (v.1.26.2.3) is tell WASP where AppleWin is on my machine and give it all the possible names of the running emulators in Windows. I put the info in the WASP.INI file:

...
[Emulators]
Number=64
Name[1]=Apple ][ Emulator
Name[2]=Apple ][ Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[3]=Apple ][ Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[4]=Apple ][ Emulator - B&W TV
Name[5]=Apple ][ Emulator - Color TV
Name[6]=Apple ][ Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[7]=Apple ][ Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[8]=Apple ][ Emulator - White Monitor
Name[9]=Apple ][+ Emulator
Name[10]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[11]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[12]=Apple ][+ Emulator - B&W TV
Name[13]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Color TV
Name[14]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[15]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[16]=Apple ][+ Emulator - White Monitor
Name[17]=Apple //e Emulator
Name[18]=Apple //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[19]=Apple //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[20]=Apple //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[21]=Apple //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[22]=Apple //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[23]=Apple //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[24]=Apple //e Emulator - White Monitor
Name[25]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator
Name[26]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[27]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[28]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[29]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[30]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[31]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[32]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - White Monitor
Name[33]=Pravets 82 Emulator
Name[34]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[35]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[36]=Pravets 82 Emulator - B&W TV
Name[37]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Color TV
Name[38]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[39]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[40]=Pravets 82 Emulator - White Monitor
Name[41]=Pravets 8A Emulator
Name[42]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[43]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[44]=Pravets 8A Emulator - B&W TV
Name[45]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Color TV
Name[46]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[47]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[48]=Pravets 8A Emulator - White Monitor
Name[49]=Pravets 8M Emulator
Name[50]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[51]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[52]=Pravets 8M Emulator - B&W TV
Name[53]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Color TV
Name[54]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[55]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[56]=Pravets 8M Emulator - White Monitor
Name[57]=TK3000 //e Emulator
Name[58]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[59]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[60]=TK3000 //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[61]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[62]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[63]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[64]=TK3000 //e Emulator - White Monitor
[Utilities]
Number=1
Utility[1]=&AppleWin
Utility[1]Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\AppleWin\Applewin.exe" -r 128
Utility[1]AutoRun=TRUE
[MainWindowSize]
Left=0
Top=0
Wide=1440
High=900

All these names work except for the "Pravets 82 Emulator" ones. AppleWin does not let me use it as that clone for some unknown reason.--[Attention: AppleWin Programming team!]

My next project will be to add it to the list of "Open with..." programs for Apple II disk images in the Windows Registry, just like I did for AppleWin and CiderPress.

Yours truly,

James Davis

P.S. To Anthony Ortiz:

Have you read this thread? And, have you been using WASP?

[Charlie]

Post by johnsonlam
Hi Charlie,
Symantec/Norton fixed WASP028 virus definitions [But not WASP027! It still get quarantined!!], so I have been checking out WASP v.028 the last couple of days.
======================================================================
======================================================================
WASP (a Windows XP based Applesoft programming tool).zip
----------------------------------------------------------------------
\wasp027.zip <-[Symantec/Norton DID NOT FIX definitions for this one!]
\wasp028.zip <-[Symantec/Norton DID ... FIX definitions for this one.]
======================================================================

That's interesting. In the past I've notified several antivirus program
companies that they were showing a false positive. The only one that
acted back then was AVG. The majority of antivirus programs show it is
clean and I can assure you it is.

I strongly suggest to anyone to check any program that is suspicious
with VirusTotal which uses many programs to check for malware.

I suspect that some AV programs don't like the fact that WASP 'mimics'
keystrokes and sends them to another program (AppleWin or GSport).

James, if you are hesitant to use it I will send you the source code and
you can inspect it for malware and then build the program yourself.

Post by johnsonlam
WASP is cool, dude! I am using it on Windows 7/64 Ultimate.

Thank you. :-)

WASP was written for Windows XP and it works best with that. In Windows
7 and Windows 10 there are a few bugs.

Post by johnsonlam
...
[Emulators]
Number=64
Name[1]=Apple ][ Emulator
Name[2]=Apple ][ Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[3]=Apple ][ Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[4]=Apple ][ Emulator - B&W TV
Name[5]=Apple ][ Emulator - Color TV
Name[6]=Apple ][ Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[7]=Apple ][ Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[8]=Apple ][ Emulator - White Monitor
Name[9]=Apple ][+ Emulator
Name[10]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[11]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[12]=Apple ][+ Emulator - B&W TV
Name[13]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Color TV
Name[14]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[15]=Apple ][+ Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[16]=Apple ][+ Emulator - White Monitor
Name[17]=Apple //e Emulator
Name[18]=Apple //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[19]=Apple //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[20]=Apple //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[21]=Apple //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[22]=Apple //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[23]=Apple //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[24]=Apple //e Emulator - White Monitor
Name[25]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator
Name[26]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[27]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[28]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[29]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[30]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[31]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[32]=Enhanced Apple //e Emulator - White Monitor
Name[33]=Pravets 82 Emulator
Name[34]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[35]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[36]=Pravets 82 Emulator - B&W TV
Name[37]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Color TV
Name[38]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[39]=Pravets 82 Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[40]=Pravets 82 Emulator - White Monitor
Name[41]=Pravets 8A Emulator
Name[42]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[43]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[44]=Pravets 8A Emulator - B&W TV
Name[45]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Color TV
Name[46]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[47]=Pravets 8A Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[48]=Pravets 8A Emulator - White Monitor
Name[49]=Pravets 8M Emulator
Name[50]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[51]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[52]=Pravets 8M Emulator - B&W TV
Name[53]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Color TV
Name[54]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[55]=Pravets 8M Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[56]=Pravets 8M Emulator - White Monitor
Name[57]=TK3000 //e Emulator
Name[58]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Monochrome Monitor (Custom)
Name[59]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Color Monitor
Name[60]=TK3000 //e Emulator - B&W TV
Name[61]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Color TV
Name[62]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Amber Monitor
Name[63]=TK3000 //e Emulator - Green Monitor
Name[64]=TK3000 //e Emulator - White Monitor
[Utilities]
Number=1
Utility[1]=&AppleWin
Utility[1]Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\AppleWin\Applewin.exe" -r 128
Utility[1]AutoRun=TRUE
[MainWindowSize]
Left=0
Top=0
Wide=1440
High=900
All these names work except for the "Pravets 82 Emulator" ones. AppleWin does not let me use it as that clone for some unknown reason.--[Attention: AppleWin Programming team!]

WASP should also work with GSport v0.31 and maybe other versions.
Add:

Name[65]=GSport - Apple //gs Emulator

in your WASP.ini file in the list of emulators and increment the number
parameter to 65.

You can also add GSport to your list of utilities in the same way you
did with AppleWin.

Charlie

[James Davis]

Post by Charlie
That's interesting. In the past I've notified several antivirus program
companies that they were showing a false positive. The only one that
acted back then was AVG. The majority of antivirus programs show it is
clean and I can assure you it is.
I strongly suggest to anyone to check any program that is suspicious
with VirusTotal which uses many programs to check for malware.
I suspect that some AV programs don't like the fact that WASP 'mimics'
keystrokes and sends them to another program (AppleWin or GSport).
James, if you are hesitant to use it I will send you the source code and
you can inspect it for malware and then build the program yourself.

Thanks Charlie,

I am not hesitant to use it. I couldn't before because Symantec/Norton would immediately quarantine WASP.exe as soon as it was extracted from the zip file. They still do for version 027, but not now for version 028. [I can show you my correspondence with them if you want me to. Just let me know and I will email it to you personally.]

Post by Charlie

Post by James Davis
WASP is cool, dude! I am using it on Windows 7/64 Ultimate.

Thank you. :-)

You're welcome.

Post by Charlie
WASP was written for Windows XP and it works best with that. In Windows
7 and Windows 10 there are a few bugs.

I have not experienced any bugs yet with WASP on Win7U/64. If ever I do, I will reset the WASP.exe compatibility for WinXPsp3.

Post by Charlie
WASP should also work with GSport v0.31 and maybe other versions.
Name[65]=GSport - Apple //gs Emulator
in your WASP.ini file in the list of emulators and increment the number
parameter to 65.
You can also add GSport to your list of utilities in the same way you
did with AppleWin.

Good to know! I have lots of different versions of emulators, but I like AppleWin best. Your WASP Help file explains well how to find their 'running' names and how to add them into WASP; otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to figure out the 64 names for all possible AppleWin emulations like I did.

Post by Charlie
Charlie

Thanks again,

James Davis

[Anthony Ortiz]

Hey James,

Yes, I discovered and used WASP last month as I mentioned in my “Soft Switch Basic program” thread in the apple2 newsgroup. It was a real life saver, wished I had found it sooner! Glad to see you’re using it too. Thanks Charlie! Glad to see it’s not only for White Anglo Saxon Programmers!

Anthony

[Neal Noble]

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.
http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm
And put the words WASP & bug in the title.
Happy New Year,
Charlie

Hi, The download link is nolonger working. Is there somewhere else WASP can be downloaded? Thanks!

[Charlie]

Post by Neal Noble

Post by Charlie
I've written a program (WASP) that you can download if you are interested.
It is a Windows based Applesoft BASIC programmer (editor, IDE, whatever you
want to call it) that works in conjunction with AppleWin. It is not
bug-free but it is generally usable (at least on my machine with Windows
XP).
With WASP you can write programs from scratch or load them from disk images.
You can then run them in AppleWin with one click of a button.
If you decide to use it please read the documentation and Read Me.txt file
(included) as there are some 'features' that need some explanation.
http://mysite.verizon.net/charlie.d/wasp.htm
And put the words WASP & bug in the title.
Happy New Year,
Charlie

Hi, The download link is nolonger working. Is there somewhere else WASP can be downloaded? Thanks!

http://noboot.com/charlie/cs/cs_menu-5.html#wasp

Charlie

[James Davis]

Post by Charlie
http://noboot.com/charlie/cs/cs_menu-5.html#wasp

Norton is blocking this! Says it is very dangerous.

[Charlie]

Post by James Davis

Post by Charlie
http://noboot.com/charlie/cs/cs_menu-5.html#wasp

Norton is blocking this! Says it is very dangerous.

It's a false positive. I reported this to them when they were still
calling themselves Symantec. It did no good.

Most anti-virus programs do not flag WASP as malware.
The best I can do is assure you that I put no malware in the program.

For what it is worth, I suspect that Norton and a few other anti-virus
programs object to WASP's ability to simulate keystrokes (Shift-Insert).
That is how WASP gets AppleWin (or any emulator using Shift-Insert) to
accept text.

Also, version 0.28 does not work in Windows 10.
Version 0.27 does work in Windows 10 with a few quirks.

Charlie